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		<title>By: Troy Krause</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 08:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Troy,

 Thought you might find this interesting. Australia if finally doing something about TVI Express. I hope it continues into other countries. Check it out.

http://troykrause.com/2010/05/19/tvi-express-busted-in-australia/
.-= Troy Krause´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://troykrause.com/2010/05/19/tvi-express-busted-in-australia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TVI Express busted in Australia&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Troy,</p>
<p> Thought you might find this interesting. Australia if finally doing something about TVI Express. I hope it continues into other countries. Check it out.</p>
<p><a href="http://troykrause.com/2010/05/19/tvi-express-busted-in-australia/" rel="nofollow">http://troykrause.com/2010/05/19/tvi-express-busted-in-australia/</a><br />
<span class="cluv"> Troy Krause´s last blog ..<a href="http://troykrause.com/2010/05/19/tvi-express-busted-in-australia/" rel="nofollow">TVI Express busted in Australia</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.mlmhelpdesk.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 03:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I made a mistake in one of the calculations in my previous post. It should read this way:

8 X 6 = 48 X 2 = 96 + 1 + 1 = 98 OR 96 + 8 + 8 = 112. The GRAND TOTAL in this MINIMUM scenario would vary between 98 and 112 new members to take a new member from the bottom to the top of the TVI system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I made a mistake in one of the calculations in my previous post. It should read this way:</p>
<p>8 X 6 = 48 X 2 = 96 + 1 + 1 = 98 OR 96 + 8 + 8 = 112. The GRAND TOTAL in this MINIMUM scenario would vary between 98 and 112 new members to take a new member from the bottom to the top of the TVI system.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 03:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to revise, somewhat, what I stated in my previous post.

I had stated that it would require 15 Traveller Boards and 15 Express Boards to get a new member from the bottom to the top of the TVI system. Actually, this is the MAXIMUM number of boards, and the MAXIMUM number of new members, it would take to do this.

On the other hand, It&#039;s possible that it could take AS FEW as 7 Traveller Boards ( 1 ORIGINAL Traveller Board + 6 NEW Traveller Boards ) and 7 Express Boards ( 1 ORIGINAL Express Board + 6 NEW Express Boards ). The tally of new members required in this scenario would be 8 x 6 = 48 X 2 = 96 + 1 + 1 = 98 OR 98 + 8 + 8 = 114. The GRAND TOTAL in this MINIMUM scenario would vary between 96 and 114 new members to take a new member from the bottom to the top of the TVI system.

During his journey from the bottom to the top of the TVI system, each new member is actually only on 4 Traveller Boards ( his ORIGINAL Traveller Board + 3 NEW Traveller Boards created by splitting ) and 4 Express Boards ( his ORIGINAL Express Board + 3 NEW Express Boards created by splitting ). During his journey on those 8 boards, he is DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED only with 3 other Traveller Boards and 3 other Express Boards ( for a total of DIRECT ASSOCIATION with only 14 boards ).

During the whole time the new member is moving from the bottom to the top of the TVI system, it is THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE that the first NEW Traveler Board ( created by splitting ) with which the new member is NOT DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED will lie DORMANT, meaning the board will not take on enough new members to fill up and split. Also, the first NEW Express Board ( created by splitting ) with which the new member is NOT DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED may also lie DORMANT in a similar manner.  If this occurs, there will be a total of 8 NEW Traveler Boards and 8 NEW Express Boards ( a total of 16 boards ) which are never created, but the new member will nevertheless still be able to reach the top of the TVI system through the 7 Traveler Boards and 7 Express Boards with which he is DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED.

Also, the TVI system allows a member to have MULTIPLE POSITIONS on the boards, as many as he wants at $250 each. So, for example, if a new member spends $12,500 and purchases 50 positions on the Traveler Boards, that would greatly reduce the number of new members which would have to be recruited in order for the new member to reach the top of the TVI system.  Therefore, there can be no set number of new members needed for someone to reach the top of the TVI system. Each new member has the option of purchasing MULTIPLE POSITIONS on the boards, and it cannot be known ahead of time how many new members will chose to do this, or how many positions they will purchase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to revise, somewhat, what I stated in my previous post.</p>
<p>I had stated that it would require 15 Traveller Boards and 15 Express Boards to get a new member from the bottom to the top of the TVI system. Actually, this is the MAXIMUM number of boards, and the MAXIMUM number of new members, it would take to do this.</p>
<p>On the other hand, It&#8217;s possible that it could take AS FEW as 7 Traveller Boards ( 1 ORIGINAL Traveller Board + 6 NEW Traveller Boards ) and 7 Express Boards ( 1 ORIGINAL Express Board + 6 NEW Express Boards ). The tally of new members required in this scenario would be 8 x 6 = 48 X 2 = 96 + 1 + 1 = 98 OR 98 + 8 + 8 = 114. The GRAND TOTAL in this MINIMUM scenario would vary between 96 and 114 new members to take a new member from the bottom to the top of the TVI system.</p>
<p>During his journey from the bottom to the top of the TVI system, each new member is actually only on 4 Traveller Boards ( his ORIGINAL Traveller Board + 3 NEW Traveller Boards created by splitting ) and 4 Express Boards ( his ORIGINAL Express Board + 3 NEW Express Boards created by splitting ). During his journey on those 8 boards, he is DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED only with 3 other Traveller Boards and 3 other Express Boards ( for a total of DIRECT ASSOCIATION with only 14 boards ).</p>
<p>During the whole time the new member is moving from the bottom to the top of the TVI system, it is THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE that the first NEW Traveler Board ( created by splitting ) with which the new member is NOT DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED will lie DORMANT, meaning the board will not take on enough new members to fill up and split. Also, the first NEW Express Board ( created by splitting ) with which the new member is NOT DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED may also lie DORMANT in a similar manner.  If this occurs, there will be a total of 8 NEW Traveler Boards and 8 NEW Express Boards ( a total of 16 boards ) which are never created, but the new member will nevertheless still be able to reach the top of the TVI system through the 7 Traveler Boards and 7 Express Boards with which he is DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED.</p>
<p>Also, the TVI system allows a member to have MULTIPLE POSITIONS on the boards, as many as he wants at $250 each. So, for example, if a new member spends $12,500 and purchases 50 positions on the Traveler Boards, that would greatly reduce the number of new members which would have to be recruited in order for the new member to reach the top of the TVI system.  Therefore, there can be no set number of new members needed for someone to reach the top of the TVI system. Each new member has the option of purchasing MULTIPLE POSITIONS on the boards, and it cannot be known ahead of time how many new members will chose to do this, or how many positions they will purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 02:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not calculating correctly the number of new members needed to be recruited in order to cycle a person off an Express Board. 

When a person joins TVI Express he is placed on a Traveller Board. Each Traveller Board contains 15 members when it is full, but when a new member is placed on a Traveller Board the board ALREADY has AT LEAST 7 members on it, and only the bottom row of that Traveller Board has vacancies ( the bottom row can have from 1 to 8 vacancies on it when a new member is placed on it ).

As soon as this original Traveller Board is full, it splits into 2 new Traveller Boards. The member who was in the top position of the original Traveller Board is placed in the bottom row of an Express Board. 

This now leaves 14 members from the original Traveller Board to be positioned on the 2 new Traveller Boards. 7 of those 14 members are placed on one of the new Traveller Boards, and the other 7 are placed on the other new Traveller Board. 

This leaves 8 vacant positions still to be filled on the bottom row of one of the new Traveller Boards, and 8 vacant positions still to be filled on the bottom row of the other new Traveller Board.

Once these 2 new Traveller Boards are full, they will each split into 2 new Traveller Boards.

By the time a new member graduates from the Traveller Boards and is first placed on an Express Board, 14 NEW Traveller Boards will have been created in the manner described above. When you include the new member&#039;s ORIGINAL Traveller Board, the total is 15 Traveller Boards ( 1 ORIGINAL Traveler Board + 14 NEW Traveler Boards created by SPLITTING ). 

The 14 NEW Traveler Boards EACH require 8 new members to be full, so this comes to 14 x 8 = 112. The ORIGINAL Traveller Board ( which ALREADY had AT LEAST 7 members on it, and possibly as many as 14, when the new member joined ) requires between 1 - 8 new  members to be full, so the total Traveller Boards tally can vary between 113 ( 112 + 1 ) and 120 ( 112 + 8 ).

The same applies to the Express Boards. When the new member is placed on his ORIGINAL Express Board, there will ALREADY be AT LEAST 7 members on it, and possibly as many as 14 ( in this case the new member would be the 15th member on the board, making it full ).

When this ORIGINAL Express Board is full, it will split into 2 NEW Express Boards. The person at the top of this ORIGINAL Express Board will cycle off this Express Board and will collect his $10,000 Cash and $5,000 Travel Voucher. He will then be placed, free of charge, in the bottom row of another Express Board which contains anywhere between 7-14 members, to begin his journey again to the TOP of an Express Board ( to collect ANOTHER $10,000 Cash and $5,000 Travel Voucher ). This cycle happens over and over, it never ends.

Going back to the 2 NEW Express Boards which were created when the ORIGINAL Express Board split, 7 of the 14 members from the ORIGINAL Express Board will be placed on one of the NEW Express Boards, and the other 7 members from the ORIGINAL Express Board will be placed on the other NEW Express Board. This will leave 8 vacancies on the bottom row of each of the NEW Express Boards.

Just like with the Traveller Boards, by the time the new member reaches the TOP position on one of the Express Boards and cycles off that Express Board to collect his $10,000 Cash and $5,000 Travel Voucher, 14 NEW Express Boards will have been created. There will be 15 Express Boards altogether ( 1 ORIGINAL Express Board + 14 NEW Express Boards created by splitting ).

Just like with the Traveller Boards, the total Express Boards tally will vary between 113 ( 112 + 1 ) and 120 ( 112 + 8 ).

The GRAND TOTAL thus varies between 226 ( 113 + 113 ) and 240 ( 120 + 120 ). This is the total number of new members who will join TVI from the time a new member joins until the time when that new member cycles out of the Express Boards and collects his $10,000 Cash + $5,000 Travel Voucher.

Each new member only needs to PERSONALLY RECRUIT 2 new members out of that 226 - 240 in order to qualify to receive his $10,000 Cash + $5,000 Travel Voucher when he cycles out of the Express Boards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not calculating correctly the number of new members needed to be recruited in order to cycle a person off an Express Board. </p>
<p>When a person joins TVI Express he is placed on a Traveller Board. Each Traveller Board contains 15 members when it is full, but when a new member is placed on a Traveller Board the board ALREADY has AT LEAST 7 members on it, and only the bottom row of that Traveller Board has vacancies ( the bottom row can have from 1 to 8 vacancies on it when a new member is placed on it ).</p>
<p>As soon as this original Traveller Board is full, it splits into 2 new Traveller Boards. The member who was in the top position of the original Traveller Board is placed in the bottom row of an Express Board. </p>
<p>This now leaves 14 members from the original Traveller Board to be positioned on the 2 new Traveller Boards. 7 of those 14 members are placed on one of the new Traveller Boards, and the other 7 are placed on the other new Traveller Board. </p>
<p>This leaves 8 vacant positions still to be filled on the bottom row of one of the new Traveller Boards, and 8 vacant positions still to be filled on the bottom row of the other new Traveller Board.</p>
<p>Once these 2 new Traveller Boards are full, they will each split into 2 new Traveller Boards.</p>
<p>By the time a new member graduates from the Traveller Boards and is first placed on an Express Board, 14 NEW Traveller Boards will have been created in the manner described above. When you include the new member&#8217;s ORIGINAL Traveller Board, the total is 15 Traveller Boards ( 1 ORIGINAL Traveler Board + 14 NEW Traveler Boards created by SPLITTING ). </p>
<p>The 14 NEW Traveler Boards EACH require 8 new members to be full, so this comes to 14 x 8 = 112. The ORIGINAL Traveller Board ( which ALREADY had AT LEAST 7 members on it, and possibly as many as 14, when the new member joined ) requires between 1 &#8211; 8 new  members to be full, so the total Traveller Boards tally can vary between 113 ( 112 + 1 ) and 120 ( 112 + 8 ).</p>
<p>The same applies to the Express Boards. When the new member is placed on his ORIGINAL Express Board, there will ALREADY be AT LEAST 7 members on it, and possibly as many as 14 ( in this case the new member would be the 15th member on the board, making it full ).</p>
<p>When this ORIGINAL Express Board is full, it will split into 2 NEW Express Boards. The person at the top of this ORIGINAL Express Board will cycle off this Express Board and will collect his $10,000 Cash and $5,000 Travel Voucher. He will then be placed, free of charge, in the bottom row of another Express Board which contains anywhere between 7-14 members, to begin his journey again to the TOP of an Express Board ( to collect ANOTHER $10,000 Cash and $5,000 Travel Voucher ). This cycle happens over and over, it never ends.</p>
<p>Going back to the 2 NEW Express Boards which were created when the ORIGINAL Express Board split, 7 of the 14 members from the ORIGINAL Express Board will be placed on one of the NEW Express Boards, and the other 7 members from the ORIGINAL Express Board will be placed on the other NEW Express Board. This will leave 8 vacancies on the bottom row of each of the NEW Express Boards.</p>
<p>Just like with the Traveller Boards, by the time the new member reaches the TOP position on one of the Express Boards and cycles off that Express Board to collect his $10,000 Cash and $5,000 Travel Voucher, 14 NEW Express Boards will have been created. There will be 15 Express Boards altogether ( 1 ORIGINAL Express Board + 14 NEW Express Boards created by splitting ).</p>
<p>Just like with the Traveller Boards, the total Express Boards tally will vary between 113 ( 112 + 1 ) and 120 ( 112 + 8 ).</p>
<p>The GRAND TOTAL thus varies between 226 ( 113 + 113 ) and 240 ( 120 + 120 ). This is the total number of new members who will join TVI from the time a new member joins until the time when that new member cycles out of the Express Boards and collects his $10,000 Cash + $5,000 Travel Voucher.</p>
<p>Each new member only needs to PERSONALLY RECRUIT 2 new members out of that 226 &#8211; 240 in order to qualify to receive his $10,000 Cash + $5,000 Travel Voucher when he cycles out of the Express Boards.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 18:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lim gs,

Looks like Mike Potillo is working with a new company. Two things come to mind, and neither are &quot;red flags&quot;.)

1. They are launching like several others companies right now, focusing on &quot;fear of loss&quot; and &quot;curiosity&quot; both which some folks gravitate towards. 

2. they have a great marketing game plan in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lim gs,</p>
<p>Looks like Mike Potillo is working with a new company. Two things come to mind, and neither are &#8220;red flags&#8221;.)</p>
<p>1. They are launching like several others companies right now, focusing on &#8220;fear of loss&#8221; and &#8220;curiosity&#8221; both which some folks gravitate towards. </p>
<p>2. they have a great marketing game plan in place.</p>
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